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	<title>Comments on: Public Online Forum to Inspire Bellechasse PPU</title>
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		<title>By: Alanah Heffez</title>
		<link>http://spacingmontreal.ca/2008/10/29/public-online-forum-to-inspire-bellechasse-ppu/comment-page-1/#comment-13190</link>
		<dc:creator>Alanah Heffez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guido - I think the consultation process and the design workshop are completed. You can see the outcomes here:
http://ville.montreal.qc.ca/portal/page?_pageid=40,31063629&amp;_dad=portal&amp;_schema=PORTAL

You can probably contact the borough for more information about the next steps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guido - I think the consultation process and the design workshop are completed. You can see the outcomes here:<br />
<a href="http://ville.montreal.qc.ca/portal/page?_pageid=40,31063629&#038;_dad=portal&#038;_schema=PORTAL" rel="nofollow">http://ville.montreal.qc.ca/portal/page?_pageid=40,31063629&#038;_dad=portal&#038;_schema=PORTAL</a></p>
<p>You can probably contact the borough for more information about the next steps.</p>
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		<title>By: Guido Guerra</title>
		<link>http://spacingmontreal.ca/2008/10/29/public-online-forum-to-inspire-bellechasse-ppu/comment-page-1/#comment-13183</link>
		<dc:creator>Guido Guerra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,
I&#039;m a student in the new program Environnement et développement durable at the université de Montréal. I have chosen the PPU Bellechasse as a study project. Does anyone know the status of this project at this time, I see no comments after Dec. 4th, 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
I'm a student in the new program Environnement et développement durable at the université de Montréal. I have chosen the PPU Bellechasse as a study project. Does anyone know the status of this project at this time, I see no comments after Dec. 4th, 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Objetzept</title>
		<link>http://spacingmontreal.ca/2008/10/29/public-online-forum-to-inspire-bellechasse-ppu/comment-page-1/#comment-7302</link>
		<dc:creator>Objetzept</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am here at a forum newcomer. Until I read and deal with the forum.
Let&#039;s learn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am here at a forum newcomer. Until I read and deal with the forum.<br />
Let's learn!</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Gatti</title>
		<link>http://spacingmontreal.ca/2008/10/29/public-online-forum-to-inspire-bellechasse-ppu/comment-page-1/#comment-6433</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Gatti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I received the four-page insert on the plan and consultation process in my local neighbourhood paper. It is attractive and well-presented. Remember that this area also includes both sides of rue Bellechasse itself as well - an area which has experienced great neglect since a lot of it had been slated for demolition for the new &quot;super-hospital&quot; before those plans were changed. There are a lot of sadly degraded buildings, including some lovely old industrial ones. Not a tree on Bellechasse between St-Denis and St-Laurent. Not a stoplight either - it is very dangerous for pedestrians trying to cross, and even for drivers. 

Given the height of some of the industrial buildings in the area (north and south of the railway), it is an area where housing can be built taller and denser, provided the design is well done. 

Also remember that just a bit east along the railway line (it dips down a bit, so the northern side there is Rosemont) is an interesting new mixed development of social housing, condos, public buildings (a library and a swimming pool - yay!) and a little park. 

Let&#039;s hope this time the revitalisation and development project gets things right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received the four-page insert on the plan and consultation process in my local neighbourhood paper. It is attractive and well-presented. Remember that this area also includes both sides of rue Bellechasse itself as well - an area which has experienced great neglect since a lot of it had been slated for demolition for the new "super-hospital" before those plans were changed. There are a lot of sadly degraded buildings, including some lovely old industrial ones. Not a tree on Bellechasse between St-Denis and St-Laurent. Not a stoplight either - it is very dangerous for pedestrians trying to cross, and even for drivers. </p>
<p>Given the height of some of the industrial buildings in the area (north and south of the railway), it is an area where housing can be built taller and denser, provided the design is well done. </p>
<p>Also remember that just a bit east along the railway line (it dips down a bit, so the northern side there is Rosemont) is an interesting new mixed development of social housing, condos, public buildings (a library and a swimming pool - yay!) and a little park. </p>
<p>Let's hope this time the revitalisation and development project gets things right.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Tremblay</title>
		<link>http://spacingmontreal.ca/2008/10/29/public-online-forum-to-inspire-bellechasse-ppu/comment-page-1/#comment-6432</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis Tremblay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone!

I would like to invite you to visit our Web page at:  ville.montreal.qc.ca/sitebellechasse and to leave your comments on our forum so they would have more chance to be take into consideration by the teams who will work on thje project.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone!</p>
<p>I would like to invite you to visit our Web page at:  ville.montreal.qc.ca/sitebellechasse and to leave your comments on our forum so they would have more chance to be take into consideration by the teams who will work on thje project.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Kaï in Côte-des-Neiges</title>
		<link>http://spacingmontreal.ca/2008/10/29/public-online-forum-to-inspire-bellechasse-ppu/comment-page-1/#comment-6409</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaï in Côte-des-Neiges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True. I meant the existing ground level paths should be expanded upon, but of course they have to cross somewhere.

Separate overhead crossings -  little bridges which don&#039;t have to have the load-bearing capacity of an auto viaduct -for pedestrians and bikes (pedestrians could still cross on the Van Horne as well) would be less costly, I&#039;d think, than tearing down the viaduct and building tunnel(s). It&#039;s true that if there were such bridges then then auto traffic only could be put in a tunnel. Then it would simply be a cost-benefit analysis of the remaining allocations whether to replace the viaduct with a tunnel; the important thing is to separate the foot and bike traffic from the auto without also putting them underground. 

I suppose CN is going to have to have some say about where a tunnel would go, as well as mini-bridges?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True. I meant the existing ground level paths should be expanded upon, but of course they have to cross somewhere.</p>
<p>Separate overhead crossings -  little bridges which don't have to have the load-bearing capacity of an auto viaduct -for pedestrians and bikes (pedestrians could still cross on the Van Horne as well) would be less costly, I'd think, than tearing down the viaduct and building tunnel(s). It's true that if there were such bridges then then auto traffic only could be put in a tunnel. Then it would simply be a cost-benefit analysis of the remaining allocations whether to replace the viaduct with a tunnel; the important thing is to separate the foot and bike traffic from the auto without also putting them underground. </p>
<p>I suppose CN is going to have to have some say about where a tunnel would go, as well as mini-bridges?</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://spacingmontreal.ca/2008/10/29/public-online-forum-to-inspire-bellechasse-ppu/comment-page-1/#comment-6405</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But it can&#039;t be ground-level, surely, because the heavily used rail line runs diagonally in such a way that it cuts through both north-south and east-west streets. Traffic -- car, bike or pedestrian -- must go over or under.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it can't be ground-level, surely, because the heavily used rail line runs diagonally in such a way that it cuts through both north-south and east-west streets. Traffic -- car, bike or pedestrian -- must go over or under.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaï in Côte-des-Neiges</title>
		<link>http://spacingmontreal.ca/2008/10/29/public-online-forum-to-inspire-bellechasse-ppu/comment-page-1/#comment-6401</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaï in Côte-des-Neiges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re the viaduct - if it&#039;s a choice between leaving it be while transforming what&#039;s around/under it and replacing it with a tunnel, I say leave it. 

Having walked across it numerous times as well as taking the 161 bus to Rosemont Metro frequently, I appreciate it as an example of what the architect/urban planner Chris Alexander, in his book A Pattern Language, calls &quot;high places&quot; - public spaces for vistas, for anyone to go to get an unordinary perspective on their city. I love the panoramic view from there - the sweep of the neighbourhoods in all directions, the various steeples, the view of that magnificent church at St. Viateur &amp; St. Urbain, the view towards the Mountain, the ziggurat apartment buildings where Outremont meets Côte-des-Neiges, all of it. 

A tunnel, besides being unsafe and unhealthy for pedestrians and bikes, can&#039;t perform this function. And bikes in particular are better served by an expansion of the existing path network near the tracks. And there&#039;s no reason that ground-level pedestrian pathways couldn&#039;t be formalized as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re the viaduct - if it's a choice between leaving it be while transforming what's around/under it and replacing it with a tunnel, I say leave it. </p>
<p>Having walked across it numerous times as well as taking the 161 bus to Rosemont Metro frequently, I appreciate it as an example of what the architect/urban planner Chris Alexander, in his book A Pattern Language, calls "high places" - public spaces for vistas, for anyone to go to get an unordinary perspective on their city. I love the panoramic view from there - the sweep of the neighbourhoods in all directions, the various steeples, the view of that magnificent church at St. Viateur &amp; St. Urbain, the view towards the Mountain, the ziggurat apartment buildings where Outremont meets Côte-des-Neiges, all of it. </p>
<p>A tunnel, besides being unsafe and unhealthy for pedestrians and bikes, can't perform this function. And bikes in particular are better served by an expansion of the existing path network near the tracks. And there's no reason that ground-level pedestrian pathways couldn't be formalized as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody Negley</title>
		<link>http://spacingmontreal.ca/2008/10/29/public-online-forum-to-inspire-bellechasse-ppu/comment-page-1/#comment-6379</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody Negley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the forum is a great idea and very progressive of the borough. Good for them.

How does the city decide when to do a PPU?  If ever there was an area that needs one, St Henri would be it... Given the Turcot reconstruction, MUHC, the CN tracks, brownfields, etc. um Hello ??!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the forum is a great idea and very progressive of the borough. Good for them.</p>
<p>How does the city decide when to do a PPU?  If ever there was an area that needs one, St Henri would be it... Given the Turcot reconstruction, MUHC, the CN tracks, brownfields, etc. um Hello ??!</p>
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		<title>By: Alanah Heffez</title>
		<link>http://spacingmontreal.ca/2008/10/29/public-online-forum-to-inspire-bellechasse-ppu/comment-page-1/#comment-6366</link>
		<dc:creator>Alanah Heffez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget to follow the link above and put your comments on the borough&#039;s official forum as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don't forget to follow the link above and put your comments on the borough's official forum as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Gatti</title>
		<link>http://spacingmontreal.ca/2008/10/29/public-online-forum-to-inspire-bellechasse-ppu/comment-page-1/#comment-6365</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Gatti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tunnels are not very safe for pedestrians. The late Parc-Pins échangeur was a notorious spot for muggings and rapes. 

Not very safe for cyclists either. 

The wild greenery is pleasant, but we do need more social housing and it is an excellent location (obviously it has to be decontaminated, but so do most urban sites). Be interesting to see how all of this can be brought together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tunnels are not very safe for pedestrians. The late Parc-Pins échangeur was a notorious spot for muggings and rapes. </p>
<p>Not very safe for cyclists either. </p>
<p>The wild greenery is pleasant, but we do need more social housing and it is an excellent location (obviously it has to be decontaminated, but so do most urban sites). Be interesting to see how all of this can be brought together.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Erb</title>
		<link>http://spacingmontreal.ca/2008/10/29/public-online-forum-to-inspire-bellechasse-ppu/comment-page-1/#comment-6362</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Erb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Shawn, I especially like the bus graveyard near the viaduct.

What does the STM plan to do with the bus depot?  I would think it would be sensible to keep one the central part of the city rather than putting out in an industrial park somewhere like Anjou or Lachine so as to allow buses to get where they&#039;re needed faster.

This project has caused me to dissect the viaduct a bit closer.  I always thought it was smart of have it so as to allow cars to get across the tracks from the east/west but now that I really look at it, it seems like a useless extravagance.  Why not just build a tunnel under the tracks at Bernard in Mile End to connect Marmier/Rosemont?  I suppose it could be blamed on the 60 and 70s and thoses decades&#039; love for over-doing things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Shawn, I especially like the bus graveyard near the viaduct.</p>
<p>What does the STM plan to do with the bus depot?  I would think it would be sensible to keep one the central part of the city rather than putting out in an industrial park somewhere like Anjou or Lachine so as to allow buses to get where they're needed faster.</p>
<p>This project has caused me to dissect the viaduct a bit closer.  I always thought it was smart of have it so as to allow cars to get across the tracks from the east/west but now that I really look at it, it seems like a useless extravagance.  Why not just build a tunnel under the tracks at Bernard in Mile End to connect Marmier/Rosemont?  I suppose it could be blamed on the 60 and 70s and thoses decades' love for over-doing things.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://spacingmontreal.ca/2008/10/29/public-online-forum-to-inspire-bellechasse-ppu/comment-page-1/#comment-6355</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope they don&#039;t tidy it up too much.
I really appreciate the wildness of the land along the tracks: the footpaths through fields cut not by landscapers but by, well, feet. And the slightly derelict look of the whole place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope they don't tidy it up too much.<br />
I really appreciate the wildness of the land along the tracks: the footpaths through fields cut not by landscapers but by, well, feet. And the slightly derelict look of the whole place.</p>
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